I dont get it (-5 energy weapons) - Guild Wars Forums

lambda the great · Dec 29, 2005, 04:17 AM // 04:17

Why would you want to use a -5 energy sword for warriors???
some kind of boost or something???

Savio · Dec 29, 2005, 04:48 AM // 04:48

A sword that has -5 energy would have a permanent +damage% modifier too. -5 energy with Gladiator's armor isn't too bad, and Warriors aren't entirely dependent on energy either.

Former Ruling · Dec 29, 2005, 05:49 AM // 05:49

Also for a monk.

Put this and the -2 energy offhand (+3 -5) together, and its an effective thing to swith too under energy denial.

lets fictionally say you have 100 energy (85+15 from your staff). Energy denial stuff is cast on you. You swith to your sword/offhand setup, your max energy is set to 78 (85-7 from your setup) now.

This is effective because alot of denial ends at 0 energy. You get to 0 faster when you start with less energy..when it hits that - go back to your staff, and you recieve a free burst of 15 energy - and alls good.

(Extra note: a common tactic while being denied energy is to "hide" that 15 energy your staff has, and once you reach 0 energy, swith to it quick, get the 15 energy, use whatever you need, and get back out of it)

Sereng Amaranth · Dec 29, 2005, 05:58 AM // 05:58

less energy to defend against energy dependant skills

Makkert · Dec 29, 2005, 08:41 AM // 08:41

Like Former Ruling said.

- vs Wither and Malaise

- if you know your death is coming:
If possible, try to have the lowest max energy as possible when you die. When you are dead, you can't swap your equipment. When ressed with a Ressurrection Signet you will get 25% of your energy.

Let's assume you have 3 sets:

1) standard staff with +5 energy = 15 energy from equipment, 45 energy total on character
2) 15/-1 regen icon + wand = 27 energy, 57 energy total
3) a -5 energy sword/axe and a -5 energy(-2 netto) icon from Cities of Ascalon quest. 23 energy total.

- If you die and get ressed with no.1 equipped, you will end up with 11 energy.
- If you die and get ressed with no.2 equippped, you will end up with 14 energy and -1 regen.
When you switch back to your no.1 equipment you will end up with a scary low 2 energy.
- If you die and get ressed with no.3 equpped, you will end up with 6 energy.
When you switch back to your no.1 equipment you will end up with a nice 28 energy.

You could burn to your no.2 equipment, switch to no.3 expecting to die, and wait for a res with healthy energy. Now offcourse this is easier said then done, but I thought its an interesting tidbit of info. There will be situations in which you will be sole survivor and the team waiting for a priest res for example. Or you hear your monks calling 'blackout' and things look bad for
you...

~ makkert

widds2v · Dec 29, 2005, 11:39 AM // 11:39

The -5 energy swords for warriors are the stupidest things ever. 5 energy is huge on a warrior. Sure your melee attacks for the most part are all adren, but everything else that makes you actually do damage is energy related.

Id take the -10 armor anyday, you're not a first target as a war so you shouldnt be getting beat on. If it gets down to just you alive then generally youve lost (although yes ive been in fights as a w/mo where i get a nice rez sig out and everyone gets rezd up and we win).

dont feel no pain · Dec 29, 2005, 11:45 AM // 11:45

like Savio said it's not so bad if u have gladiators u will still have 22 energy

Yichi · Dec 29, 2005, 03:22 PM // 15:22

Add a zealous hilt on a sword and now your -5 energy sword dont bother your warrior at all. Besides if youre casting things with your warrior that you cant replace the energy fast enough with a zealous hilt or natural regen, your warrior is dead anyway...

Maxiemonster · Dec 29, 2005, 03:32 PM // 15:32

Yep, great for monk with OOB. Use this combo, and use OOB, and you're back on energy. Great tactic against drain Mesmer that try to mess up monks.

TheOneAndOnlyX · Dec 29, 2005, 03:35 PM // 15:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by MistressYichi

Add a zealous hilt on a sword and now your -5 energy sword dont bother your warrior at all. Besides if youre casting things with your warrior that you cant replace the energy fast enough with a zealous hilt or natural regen, your warrior is dead anyway...

wrong it would add a -1 energy also along with the minus 5 energy

Yichi · Dec 29, 2005, 03:45 PM // 15:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOneAndOnlyX

wrong it would add a -1 energy also along with the minus 5 energy

ok. you still have one pip of regen. before you doubt what i just said, go grab a zealous sword or axe, find a pack of mobs that surround you and you have only 5 energy left. then use hundred blades or cyclone axe. then come talk to me about how this is useless...

Lawfer · Dec 29, 2005, 03:46 PM // 15:46

i've been farming with a -5 energy axe...
its doing pretty good, since a warrior dun need too much energy, 22 is ok enough. most of the the skill u cast is only 5 energy max 10 for HB
(except if u want to cast high energy stuff like SOJ)normally a -5 is good to have since u get a alway dmg mod.
IMO -5 en is better -10 armor(while attacking)

CKaz · Dec 29, 2005, 06:59 PM // 18:59

don't appear like repeats so -

anything that wipes your mana pool (ie rebirth, ether lord) that much better if it wipes smaller pool

if you took along the necro henchy will blood ritual you sooner

TheOneAndOnlyX · Dec 30, 2005, 12:43 AM // 00:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by MistressYichi

ok. you still have one pip of regen. before you doubt what i just said, go grab a zealous sword or axe, find a pack of mobs that surround you and you have only 5 energy left. then use hundred blades or cyclone axe. then come talk to me about how this is useless...

1. You can't say i would doubt you. 2.When did I ever say it was useless?

Hell Marauder · Dec 30, 2005, 01:02 AM // 01:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOneAndOnlyX

1. You can't say i would doubt you. 2.When did I ever say it was useless?

Mistress Yichi was right. Once I was a non-believer like you until I equipped my sword/axe with a zealous hilt/haft and never looked back since. Try it before you pass any judgement. In fact -5 energy with unconditional extra damage mod combo is the BEST warrior weapon combo out there, better than -1 hp degen or -10 armor while attacking. You'd be lucky if you get one.

lambda the great · Jan 07, 2006, 09:49 AM // 09:49

Woah, I like lost my thread somehow and left it.

Ok I get it now ty all.

MMSDome · Jan 07, 2006, 12:21 PM // 12:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by widds2v

The -5 energy swords for warriors are the stupidest things ever. 5 energy is huge on a warrior. Sure your melee attacks for the most part are all adren, but everything else that makes you actually do damage is energy related.

Id take the -10 armor anyday, you're not a first target as a war so you shouldnt be getting beat on. If it gets down to just you alive then generally youve lost (although yes ive been in fights as a w/mo where i get a nice rez sig out and everyone gets rezd up and we win).

it isnt that big, it depends on what build you use. I use a +15% in stance, zealous and fortitude. For what i do because i never leave a stance. -5 Energy may go to a pure adrenilane warrior that has skills like cyclone axe, or swift chop because they take 5 energy. Usually the most energy a warrior will need to use is 10 energy. For me thats armor of earth. -5 energy doesnt kill a warrior, depends on the build.

Dec 29, 2005, 04:17 AM // 04:17	#1
lambda the great Jungle Guide Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: here Guild: Almost a Guild Profession: W/N	I dont get it (-5 energy weapons) Why would you want to use a -5 energy sword for warriors??? some kind of boost or something???

Dec 29, 2005, 04:48 AM // 04:48	#2
Savio Teenager with attitude Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]	A sword that has -5 energy would have a permanent +damage% modifier too. -5 energy with Gladiator's armor isn't too bad, and Warriors aren't entirely dependent on energy either. __________________ People are stupid.

Dec 29, 2005, 06:59 PM // 18:59	#13
CKaz Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2005	couple more don't appear like repeats so - anything that wipes your mana pool (ie rebirth, ether lord) that much better if it wipes smaller pool if you took along the necro henchy will blood ritual you sooner

Dec 29, 2005, 05:49 AM // 05:49	#3
Former Ruling Grotto Attendant Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cedartown, Georgia Profession: R/	Also for a monk. Put this and the -2 energy offhand (+3 -5) together, and its an effective thing to swith too under energy denial. lets fictionally say you have 100 energy (85+15 from your staff). Energy denial stuff is cast on you. You swith to your sword/offhand setup, your max energy is set to 78 (85-7 from your setup) now. This is effective because alot of denial ends at 0 energy. You get to 0 faster when you start with less energy..when it hits that - go back to your staff, and you recieve a free burst of 15 energy - and alls good. (Extra note: a common tactic while being denied energy is to "hide" that 15 energy your staff has, and once you reach 0 energy, swith to it quick, get the 15 energy, use whatever you need, and get back out of it)

Dec 29, 2005, 05:58 AM // 05:58	#4
Sereng Amaranth Desert Nomad Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: The Amazon Basin [AB]	less energy to defend against energy dependant skills

Dec 29, 2005, 08:41 AM // 08:41	#5
Makkert Black Beast of Aarrrrgghh Join Date: May 2005 Location: The Netherlands Guild: The Biggyverse [PLEB] // Servants of Fortuna [SoF]	Like Former Ruling said. - vs Wither and Malaise - if you know your death is coming: If possible, try to have the lowest max energy as possible when you die. When you are dead, you can't swap your equipment. When ressed with a Ressurrection Signet you will get 25% of your energy. Let's assume you have 3 sets: 1) standard staff with +5 energy = 15 energy from equipment, 45 energy total on character 2) 15/-1 regen icon + wand = 27 energy, 57 energy total 3) a -5 energy sword/axe and a -5 energy(-2 netto) icon from Cities of Ascalon quest. 23 energy total. - If you die and get ressed with no.1 equipped, you will end up with 11 energy. - If you die and get ressed with no.2 equippped, you will end up with 14 energy and -1 regen. When you switch back to your no.1 equipment you will end up with a scary low 2 energy. - If you die and get ressed with no.3 equpped, you will end up with 6 energy. When you switch back to your no.1 equipment you will end up with a nice 28 energy. You could burn to your no.2 equipment, switch to no.3 expecting to die, and wait for a res with healthy energy. Now offcourse this is easier said then done, but I thought its an interesting tidbit of info. There will be situations in which you will be sole survivor and the team waiting for a priest res for example. Or you hear your monks calling 'blackout' and things look bad for you... ~ makkert

Dec 29, 2005, 11:39 AM // 11:39	#6
widds2v Academy Page Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Japan Guild: House Palomides Profession: W/Mo	The -5 energy swords for warriors are the stupidest things ever. 5 energy is huge on a warrior. Sure your melee attacks for the most part are all adren, but everything else that makes you actually do damage is energy related. Id take the -10 armor anyday, you're not a first target as a war so you shouldnt be getting beat on. If it gets down to just you alive then generally youve lost (although yes ive been in fights as a w/mo where i get a nice rez sig out and everyone gets rezd up and we win).

Dec 29, 2005, 11:45 AM // 11:45	#7
dont feel no pain Forge Runner Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Uk,Wales	like Savio said it's not so bad if u have gladiators u will still have 22 energy

Dec 29, 2005, 03:22 PM // 15:22	#8
Yichi Furnace Stoker Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match... Guild: Dark Alley [dR]	Add a zealous hilt on a sword and now your -5 energy sword dont bother your warrior at all. Besides if youre casting things with your warrior that you cant replace the energy fast enough with a zealous hilt or natural regen, your warrior is dead anyway...

Dec 29, 2005, 03:32 PM // 15:32	#9
Maxiemonster There is no spoon. Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Netherlands Profession: Mo/	Yep, great for monk with OOB. Use this combo, and use OOB, and you're back on energy. Great tactic against drain Mesmer that try to mess up monks.

Dec 29, 2005, 03:46 PM // 15:46	#12
Lawfer Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Dec 2005	i've been farming with a -5 energy axe... its doing pretty good, since a warrior dun need too much energy, 22 is ok enough. most of the the skill u cast is only 5 energy max 10 for HB (except if u want to cast high energy stuff like SOJ)normally a -5 is good to have since u get a alway dmg mod. IMO -5 en is better -10 armor(while attacking)

Jan 07, 2006, 09:49 AM // 09:49	#16
lambda the great Jungle Guide Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: here Guild: Almost a Guild Profession: W/N	Woah, I like lost my thread somehow and left it. Ok I get it now ty all.